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mkrott
Posted 2010-07-28 7:40 PM (#55006)
Subject: Define "Soggy"





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Location: So. Central MO.
I have recently been looking at some sale catalogs that came in the mail and would like you to define what a "soggy" mare would be.  Google search shows both desirable and undesirable definitions, but maybe one is out of date?  I can't imagine a written description including "soggy" wouldn't be positive or why include it at all.
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runninroan
Posted 2010-07-28 7:45 PM (#55007 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: Deep South
LOL! I'll bet you have one of the same catalogs that I have..."Big Soggy Mare." What does that mean??? I have heard it but never really knew the meaning. Glad you asked! Maybe someone on here will know.....

Edited by runninroan 2010-07-28 7:45 PM
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mkrott
Posted 2010-07-28 8:23 PM (#55008 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: So. Central MO.
Someone needs to step up to the plate to help us roan/gray loving gals, lol!
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slidinstop
Posted 2010-07-28 8:23 PM (#55009 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"



Official Test Pilot

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Heavy with muscle.
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mkrott
Posted 2010-07-28 8:33 PM (#55010 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: So. Central MO.
Slidey,

Thanks for coming to the rescue, lol!  It is such a funny term, I've seen it many times, but thought I should really figure it out.  I guess that I am "Unsoggy", but working on kind of being a "smidge of a sog."
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runninroan
Posted 2010-07-28 8:39 PM (#55011 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Thanks Slidey!!!
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slidinstop
Posted 2010-07-28 9:43 PM (#55012 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"



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You betcha ;)
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ltp paints
Posted 2010-07-28 11:08 PM (#55014 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"




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here s soggggggggggggggggggy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8
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runninroan
Posted 2010-07-28 11:13 PM (#55015 - in reply to #55014)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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ltp paints - 2010-07-28 11:08 PM

here s soggggggggggggggggggy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8



LOVE that song and like the movie too.
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mkrott
Posted 2010-07-29 8:34 AM (#55016 - in reply to #55014)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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ltp paints - 2010-07-28 11:08 PM here s soggggggggggggggggggy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8


Now, that was classic sogginess!
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rodeo dc
Posted 2010-07-29 9:19 AM (#55018 - in reply to #55014)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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ltp paints - 2010-07-28 11:08 PM

here s soggggggggggggggggggy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8



LMAO
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rodeo dc
Posted 2010-07-29 9:20 AM (#55020 - in reply to #55009)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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slidinstop - 2010-07-28 8:23 PM

Heavy with muscle.



I'm soggy




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mkrott
Posted 2010-07-29 9:30 AM (#55021 - in reply to #55020)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: So. Central MO.
rodeo dc - 2010-07-29 9:20 AM
slidinstop - 2010-07-28 8:23 PM Heavy with muscle.

I'm soggy


Puts in a whole new light doesn't it?
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rodeo dc
Posted 2010-07-29 9:33 AM (#55022 - in reply to #55021)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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mkrott - 2010-07-29 9:30 AM

rodeo dc - 2010-07-29 9:20 AM
slidinstop - 2010-07-28 8:23 PM Heavy with muscle.

I'm soggy


Puts in a whole new light doesn't it?



I used to think it was when my britches were a tad wet
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crossspur
Posted 2010-07-29 10:01 AM (#55026 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"



Roan Wonder


Location: Southwest MO
Here's a an example
Mare 1 soggy
Mare 2 is not

 Soggy Filly



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RoyalCattleCo
Posted 2010-07-29 11:00 AM (#55027 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: Clatonia, NE
to me, it's more than just muscle or mass, it's bone also or collective "substance".  I used to think that mares that were "soggy" were better brood mares because you could breed them to about any horse and get some substance.  I've come to see though, that sometimes this causes colts that are too thick/cumbersome not athletic and sometimes the mare herself does NOT pass the trait on to her foal anyway, and sometimes it really does work just right.  Also I've noticed that some lines seem more "pre potent" than others in one generation and sometimes in several generations.  It's all really interesting.  Sometimes mares that are by no means "soggy" are the best producers.  Here are 2 of our mares, both excellent producers- the first I consider "soggy" but not the second.....



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Lmac
Posted 2010-07-29 5:23 PM (#55032 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words . . and I agree, it's interesting how soggy just doesn't cover the short, fat mares --

There's so much terminology that people use as 'buzz words' . . . it's nice to see them defined.

"Flat kneed" is a term that I think is thrown around a lot . . .what's everyone's take on that one??
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butler5674
Posted 2010-07-29 5:31 PM (#55034 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: New Mexico
Funky.... I think I prefer non-soggy! :D
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RoyalCattleCo
Posted 2010-07-29 9:30 PM (#55036 - in reply to #55034)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: Clatonia, NE
butler5674 - 2010-07-29 5:31 PM Funky.... I think I prefer non-soggy! :D


What is it you said in your post about the buckskin mare?  That's what makes the world go 'round?  We all have our likes/dislikes.  I personally like a horse with "substance" but athletic enough to carry themselves well.  I don't like "ground pounders".
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RoyalCattleCo
Posted 2010-07-29 9:32 PM (#55037 - in reply to #55032)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: Clatonia, NE
Lmac - 2010-07-29 5:23 PM As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words . . and I agree, it's interesting how soggy just doesn't cover the short, fat mares -- There's so much terminology that people use as 'buzz words' . . . it's nice to see them defined. "Flat kneed" is a term that I think is thrown around a lot . . .what's everyone's take on that one??


Linda- that's kind of a "pleasure-y" thing huh?  Is it one that doesn't have a lot of knee action....have never really heard cutters talking about "flat kneed"!!!  
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mkrott
Posted 2010-07-29 10:40 PM (#55038 - in reply to #55037)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: So. Central MO.
RoyalCattleCo - 2010-07-29 9:32 PM
Lmac - 2010-07-29 5:23 PM As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words . . and I agree, it's interesting how soggy just doesn't cover the short, fat mares -- There's so much terminology that people use as 'buzz words' . . . it's nice to see them defined. "Flat kneed" is a term that I think is thrown around a lot . . .what's everyone's take on that one??


Linda- that's kind of a "pleasure-y" thing huh?  Is it one that doesn't have a lot of knee action....have never really heard cutters talking about "flat kneed"!!!  

I always thought "flat-kneed" meant there was little knee action too!  Anyone else?
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Paracadista
Posted 2010-07-30 3:17 AM (#55039 - in reply to #55038)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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mkrott - 2010-07-29 11:40 PM

RoyalCattleCo - 2010-07-29 9:32 PM
Lmac - 2010-07-29 5:23 PM As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words . . and I agree, it's interesting how soggy just doesn't cover the short, fat mares -- There's so much terminology that people use as 'buzz words' . . . it's nice to see them defined. "Flat kneed" is a term that I think is thrown around a lot . . .what's everyone's take on that one??


Linda- that's kind of a "pleasure-y" thing huh?  Is it one that doesn't have a lot of knee action....have never really heard cutters talking about "flat kneed"!!!  

I always thought "flat-kneed" meant there was little knee action too!  Anyone else?



That is what it means around here. Real important to the "peanut rolling" fans.
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Lmac
Posted 2010-07-30 2:56 PM (#55050 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Yeah, I've kind of got a 'conflict of interest' with it. One reason I'm leaning more toward the hunter under saddle and long term versatility in our breeding program.

Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of people who just slow the horse down thinking that is what it is . . .I have seen a few of what I "think" are natural flat knee movers ---but I have seen more 'bad' ones.

I like "all the gears" in my horses ... but I can't decide if they are 'flat kneed' or not . . kind of like when we use to come to Kansas to visit and everyone would go on about how 'flat' it was . . . and I kept thinking, it's got trees?!
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crossspur
Posted 2010-07-30 4:01 PM (#55051 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"



Roan Wonder


Location: Southwest MO
Oh honestly I don' know what is wrong with you all. Everyone knows it means a female horse that has been left out in the rain
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cajunreiner
Posted 2010-07-30 6:48 PM (#55052 - in reply to #55006)
Subject: RE: Define "Soggy"





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Location: swamps of Louisiana
lol never heard of soggy, I asked Dad and he's never heard the term either, lol.


Flat kneed to me is heard more with the HUS horses than with working horses because theres some cross over with stock type horses going into other sponsored events, like dressage and hunter/jumpers etc.  To me flat kneed is meaning puts his knee flat before his foot hits the ground in a quick effiecent (Sp>) manner.  Lots of QH's and stock type horses are flat kneed, but in other breeds you see a higher step.   Most dressage type horses and pulling horses are not.  Gracie who is 100% draft does not have a flat kneed look, she trots like a huge hackney pony, lol.  Many fancy carriage horses are not flat kneed.  All of the horses we have here,aside from Gracie who is almost strictly a pulling horse, are flat kneed.  I showed with one paint mare who was definitely not flat kneed and it looked awful in the reining pen. 
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